Wednesday, November 3, 2010

Notes from Tuesday

The Weirdest Presidential Elections in US History

Things to know about Presidential Elections going in:
  • The outcome is decided no by the popular vote, but by the Electoral College.
  • Who gets to vote is determined state-by-state, with four exceptions in the Constitution.
1800 – JOHN ADAMS VS. THOMAS JEFFERSON

Pre-12th Amendment, President was the winner in the Electoral College and VP was the one who finished second. Jefferson and Aaron Burr end up tied (since each elector gets two votes. The election is then thrown to the House of Representatives, where each state gets one vote. In 1800, there were 16 states.). As long as the Adams people in the House of Representatives could keep the election tied between Jefferson and Burr (8 states each), Adams stays President.

1824 – JOHN QUINCY ADAMS VS. ANDREW JACKSON VS. HENRY CLAY

Jackson won the popular vote and the Electoral College, but did not get a majority of electoral votes. So since the election was thrown into the House, the 2nd and 3rd place candidates pooled their support. 2nd place (Adams) is President, 3rd place (Clay) is Secretary of State with a promise of Presidential campaign support in eight years, and Jackson is just out. It works, but only for one term, as Jackson blows out Adams in 1828.

1860 – ABRAHAM LINCOLN VS. STEVEN DOUGLAS VS. JOHN BELL

A popular vote split three ways, but Lincoln got enough of a plurality in enough states to win the Electoral College.

1876 – RUTHERFORD B. HAYES VS. SAMUEL TILDEN

The Crown Prince of weird elections. Three states submitted two slates of electors -- one with black votes counted and one with only white votes. If the white votes are the only ones that count, Tilden wins easily. But if the black votes count, Hayes wins 185-184. The result is the Compromise of 1877. In return for letting black votes count, the South gets to have all of the Northern occupying troops removed, and Hayes doesn't run for re-election in 1880.

1912 – WOODROW WILSON VS. WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT VS. THEODORE ROOSEVELT

Taft runs for re-election, but his supporters are split between him and former two-term President Teddy Roosevelt.

1948 – HARRY S TRUMAN VS. THOMAS DEWEY

The first time computers try to predict a major national election. The computers vastly overstate the impact of Strom Thurmond, who gets a handful of electoral votes, but not nearly enough to allow Dewey to defeat Truman.

1960 – JOHN F. KENNEDY VS. RICHARD NIXON

Close election. Both sides agreed later that nobody cold ever know who would have won if both sides had played fair.

1968 – RICHARD NIXON VS. HUBERT HUMPHREY

Sitting President Lyndon Johnson chooses not to run for re-election. First time since Chester Arthur.

1992 – BILL CLINTON VS. GEORGE BUSH VS. ROSS PEROT

Another split-vote where Bush supporters defect to Perot, opening the door for Clinton.

2000 – GEORGE W. BUSH VS. AL GORE

The king of the weird elections. Several close states -- New Mexico, Oregon, Iowa, and Florida. Final tally 271-267, and that only after a month of legal wrangling about who really won Florida. Lots of fun to watch, unless you had an emotional investment in the outcome. Then it was pure torture.

QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION
Is there a good way to settle a close election, especially when the outcome is statistically too close to call?
Did the Supreme Court get Bush v. Gore right?
Who lost a Presidential election he should have won?
Who was the most qualified Presidential candidate never to win an election?

11 comments:

  1. Did the Supreme Court get Bush v. Gore right?

    I think they made the right decision not because i wanted him to win because i wasnt even old enough to remeber that but because they should have stayed with there first decision.

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  2. Did the suprem court get Bush vs. Gore right, absolutelty. Like Becca, I'm not saying this just because I think Bush to win. I just believe that since Bush won the popular vote, by however small of a margin it may have been, he still should have been president because he won the votes.

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  3. question#2

    Like Becca and Tiffany I think that the supreme court got it right not because I wanted him to win (I was 5 at the time) but because he won the popular vote and the Electoral College.
    Gore would have taken us down the exact same road that Clinton took us. So he was NOT a good choice because he probably would have gotten Clinton back in the White House some way or another.

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  4. The ruling in Bush v. Gore was not that Bush had won, but that there was no way to tell for sure, so make the best guess you can by the deadline and go with it. The very examination of the chads was a violation of the 14th Amendment because different people had different standards of what constituted a vote. Plus, since only the chads got the special attention, that was unfair to paper ballot voters. And since Florida state law required an answer by a certain date, and since there was no way to complete a "fair" recount by then, Florida was essentially stuck with the numbers they had.

    If you were on the Court, wold you have signed off on this decision, or was there a fairer way to do it?

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  5. @Ben Wiles
    does that mean that bush really didn't win?

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  6. question#1
    Numbers do not lie so how can an election be statistically too close to call? i think that if the outcome of the votes is not clear then you should get a better system of voting so that it will be more accurate!

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  7. @ben wiles
    i read in my history book that after the election was all said and done they had recounted the votes and bush had won fair and square!

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  8. exactly. i think that if it is not clear you should get a better system that makes it clearer. so i do think the Supreme Court did get it right.

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  9. @Callie
    Yes the system could be better, but people will always make mistakes, no matter how perfect the system is.

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  10. @Becca

    The results of the post-election counting show that Bush would have won even if the Supreme Court had decided in Gore's favor.

    But there is a big question in political history about whether the Court should have intervened at all, let alone in Bush's favor. After all, the Constitution says Congress should decide on a President when the states can't.

    @Callie

    The governor's race in Washington State in 2006 was recounted five times. One person won 3 times, the other person won twice. It took a state supreme court ruling to the effect of "knock it off, already" to get them to pick a result and go with it.

    If you're (like me) a geek for this sort of thing, check out the Wikipedia entry on "Arrow's Theorem."

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  11. @Ben Wiles
    i looked it up but still dont quite understand....i guess ill just ask you tuesday!

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